£50,000    Estimated after mediation


This is the sum that the WSRA Trustees will have spent after mediation in a few weeks time  on the litigation  against the two 4160 Directors.  The proposed mediation costs will add another £5,000 to the £30,000 already spent by the Trustees, but to release the shares from the two directors they will have to pay a further £14,128.      If mediation were to be successful the total costs to the WSRA would be nearly £50,000.  The original action by the WSRA to retrieve the shares that they did not have legal title to was to ensure that the locomotive was forcibly returned to the WSR.


If mediation were not successful, and nothing is certain, the case would then proceed to a Court Hearing.   The costs would then rise substantially to about £110,000+ £50,000 if the WSRA were to lose the case.   


It should be remembered that the WSRA (charity) did not even have legal title to shares in the first place. The WSRA Trustee's were fully informed of these facts,prior to commencment  of litagation, but despite knowing these facts, they still proceeded to litagation anyway.

December 2020



The board is pleased to advise its shareholders that we have at last manged to persuade the WSRA to enter into official mediation on the issue of the disputed shares, this we hope will prevent further wastage of valuable funds on both sides.   Our first offer of a solution to the issue was dismissed out of hand by the WSRA.     Mediation is not as costly as a court case being in the region of £4,000 to each party, which will still bring the total amount so far spent by the WSRA to approximately £35,000.    However, if it were to fail and proceeded to court the new costing are in the region of £140,000 to £160,000 total costs for the losing side.What has to be remembered, that even if this is settled in Mediation and this not certain that will happen the WSRA will still have to pay £14,128  back to the two directors of Four One Six O Ltd for the shares to be released,this will bring the total account for the WSRA to nearly £50,000, is it not the time to stop this legal obession by the  WSRA   


The irony of this whole debacle is that 4160 could still run on the WSR in the future.     The board of 4160 signed a lease contract earlier this year with the 5542 Group and South Devon Railway to complete the current heavy over haul .     The lease runs for 13 years and enables the leaseholders to hire out the engine to any heritage railway, so there is no reason whatsoever why 4160 could not run back on the WSR with an agreed contract from the 5542 Group. 


This makes the current litigation situation, rather unnecessary. 

September 23rd 2020

Photograph by kind permission of South Devon Railway



The locomotive 4160 was moved from Llangollen Railway workshop to the South Devon Railway at Buckfastleigh to complete her rebuild.    The removal crew was headed up by Ray Lee and Paul Johnson, both 4160 directors and helped by John Hasker and  Mick Prior both shareholders also Ray's brother Andrew Lee of R&A Commercials, driver "Bubbles" from Brett Ellacott Haulage and driver "Metal" from SM Smith Haulage .     They did a fantastic job of locating all the components in not the most ideal conditions and getting them safely loaded onto the transport assisted by the staff of Llangollen works.   On arrival at Buckfastleigh there was a crew of 8 volunteers and staff ready to unload and store all the components, they all did an expert job and I would like to thank them for their assistance. 

The 5542 Group will now be custodians of 4160 for the next 13 years.  We look forward to our association  with 5542 and SDR to help preserve this popular locomotive.  

Mike Crees, Chairman

10th October 2020                                      MORE PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE GALLERY

The very transparent and open WSRA have failed to answer a question from one of their long standing members.  The question asked was  "How much money has the WSRA spent on litigation to date on the claim against the two Four One Six 0 Directors?” Three   months later Terry Morgan is still waiting for an answer from Mike Sherwood!

26th June 2020


Dear Shareholder




Unfortunately the situation has not changed; the aims of the WSRA are still the same.     When the ex WSRA chairman, Paul Whitehouse, contacted our contractors at Llangollen Railway late last year, he stated in writing that if they were successful in winning the court case "they would take over substantial control of the company" (see documents section on this web site).   This was a hostile act targeting the company Four One Six O Ltd and was directly interfering in the running of the company.  The WSRA has never had control over Four One Six O Ltd which has always been an independent company.    In my nearly 30 years as serving as a director I have never witnessed this type of control or interference over the company before.   This has now become a company matter and therefore we must act in the best interests of the company to protect the locomotive.


Whitehouse’s contact with our contractor was highly irregular, but it did confirm the board’s suspicions that this whole saga was never about the sale of the association shares.   It was a ruse to try and remove the two directors who opposed WSRA views.       A serving WSRA trustee, Robin White, who has played a major role in this litigation from the start, made a public statement declaring "the two directors were tainted" and went on to suggest they should be removed.    In the process it is estimated that the sum of £30,000 has been spent on legal fees to date by the WSRA which is membership money.  


The fiasco regarding the sale of the promotions side of WSRA to the WSR plc is disastrous and just illustrates the fate that could have befallen the locomotive If Whites influence had been allowed to persist.   They could have gained control of the company and the locomotive; it would have been their next casualty and sold off to the plc.   With the mess the railway is in at the moment, the board’s overriding concern was for the locomotive to be safe and away from the toxic environment that exists on the West Somerset Railway today.    The board really had very little choice in the matter.


The other more practical consideration is the West Somerset Railway is in deep financial trouble, and they could potentially default on hire fees.   It would seem that the WSRA are trying to force the company to run the locomotive on the WSR, and because we refused to do their bidding Paul Johnson and I are being taken to court.   It really does make you wonder what type of people they really are.


Yours Sincerely



Mike Crees







Please make sure you are not a ‘lost’ shareholder.  If you have moved or changed your telephone or email address please would you advise us of your new contact details on info@4160ltd.com or write to the Company Secretary at our registered office.     In the case of a deceased estate the shares must be re-registered in the name of the new beneficiary by the Company before they are valid.




On 25th May 2018 new legislation comes into force and we as a company need to obtain permission from all our shareholders to retain their contact details in order to write or email them about company matters.    It is essential that you contact us as soon as possible at info@4160ltd.com and advise us that you wish to “OPT IN” to receiving information also giving us your full name and address.


Mike Crees


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